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On 4/28/2020 at 12:50 AM, Joe Lawry said:

The problem with Prores RAW is that without support from BMD within Resolve its really just dead in the water in my opinion. 

Mavo Edge looks amazing. Must be an identical ND filter system to the FX9 as the specs match exactly, which is good.. and bad! As an FX9 owner I can tell you straight away that 7 stops is not enough if you want to shoot close to T2 or 2.8 at 800 ISO in full sun.. oh well. 

Yeah totally agree. Prores RAW is too limiting at the moment, and for what benefit? From what I understand you still can't change camera setting like White Balance in post? I'll just stick with ProRes thanks.

I was wondering why we've seen so few other cameras with an electronic Variable ND. Hopefully it will become more common going forward. Just a small pity it caps out at 2.1, but you can't have it all I guess. 

Having used mainly RED for the past few months, this camera solves so many of the problems that annoy me working with a RED. Namely Internal NDs, Dual-Slot Recording (huge!), Internal XLRs, and that side panel to control the camera! Hopefully it all works as well as advertised. 

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I have ordered one and I hope to shoot a test as soon as it's available. I hope to be talking to Kinefinity soon to try and set something up in London with a full studio set and location shoot over two days. Testing real drama situations would be a great way to test this camera plus perhaps a few technical tests as a side bar in the studio shoot. Not sure if this will be a ticketed event or not yet and also how we might do this with social distancing measures at the time of shooting. I'll try and update here as much as possible.

Here's our last workshop where we were looking at using a variety of lights in a studio setting for day and night coverage. We were sponsored by Arri, Kino Flo, Dedolight and Rosco.

 

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Specs-wise this thing is just incredible. It's practically everything I've been asking manufacturers for, for years (and a number of cool things that would never have occurred to me).

- Unibody design (but still tiny)

- Internal NDs that allow for precision in exposure (so no big 2-3 stop jumps in density) this is a HUGE time saver

- All the Prores flavours/framerates + all the downsampling options you could want

- Internal scratch mic (for audio sync)

- A couple of different compression options for the raw recording

- Affordable media (though you'll want to stick with Samsung "PRO" NVMEs for the MLC Nand - to deal with continuous 8k recording)

- Integrated V-mount plate (so you're not having to worry about power cables as a point of failure/snag point)

- The added option of integrated BP-U batteries will be terrific for times you need to jam the camera on a car's dashboard (or similar tight spots)

- TRUE 12-bit 4k 4:4:4 RGB recording, downsampled from 8k (I'm pretty sure this is the first camera to ever offer this)

- Clear manual controls, and control screen (I don't know what Kinefinity menus are like, but if most of the essentials can be adjusted from the main screen, life should be fairly easy).

- True flexibility in sensor windowing and squeeze ratios (like the Mini LF), so that whatever image format, aspect ratio, lens type, anamorphic squeeze, or final deliverable you're working to - you can set it in camera, and don't have to rely on bringing in specific external monitors that have the controls you need.

- Good variable framerates

- Built-in power outputs, so you don't have to be adding additional power plates just to get your basic accessories running.

- Enough monitoring outputs to make life easy

- Dual Base ISO

- Two proprietary video outputs (for running a Kinefinity EVF and Monitor at the same time) - TAKE NOTE CANON!

- A "Lens" cable port at the front (which I'm hoping is going to be capable of powering FIZ motors (and not just conventional servo motors). This could allow for a SUPER-tidy camera build with RF-integrated motors like the Cforce Mini RF.

- A super-easy, super-flexible base lens mount, that can be adapted to basically anything you need/want

- Extremely fast sensor readout, for minimal jello skew.

I keep trying to think of what else I'd want to add to a camera, or a physical build-layout that I'd prefer, and I keep coming up blank. An integrated EVF/Monitor like the Arri's new one for the Mini LF (so the operator can instantly move between the two) is perhaps the only thing that comes to mind (and that's certainly an accessory that Kinefinity could build down the line).

The camera simply sounds pretty much perfect for my needs.

The one spec question I do still have is boot-up time. The Sony Venice and Canon C500ii (with their 4-5 second boot times) have really set the standard here. So I've got fingers-crossed the Edge can manage sub-10 seconds at least.

Warranty repairs/support is a concern (I'm in Australia and I don't know what the Kinefinity situation is like down here). 

Image-wise, I've seen gorgeous stuff produced on the Mavo LF, so I suspect this will do fine on that front. The Mavo LF's highlights do seem to clip a little harshly, but that's about the only imaging concern I have at the moment.

What an incredibly exciting camera.

I no that no Producer is ever going to ask for it (which is a concern), but I can see this camera genuinely making my life on set easier. And that's a big deal. I'm sorely tempted to put a pre-order down.

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Hey Jerome (kinefinity) Gafpa Gear here, as we speak Kinefinity is finalising the casing of the Kinemag Nano's for the edge, 

we wrote a blog post about it going in depth, with the fastest recording media up to date for a camera. 

https://www.gafpagear.com/post/kinefinity-kinemag-nano-the-revolution

Besides that the Kinemag nanos dont need a card reader but will have a dedicated usb (c type) connector on the casing, for easy offload at 10 Gbit speed. Have a read here if you want to go in dept with this cheap and affordable new recording media . Please notice that you can buy your own m2 cards and install them in the Kine MAG nano.

https://www.gafpagear.com/post/kinefinity-kinemag-nano-the-revolution

If anyone have questions about the new camera, and want to go in depth with prores raw, or oversampled 4k prores 444 etc, let us know, and we will try our very best to explaing everything!

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